[HanoiLUG] news from the Indian Front [Fwd: Re: [Asiasource2-participants] MS OOXML : Formula for failure]

[Nguyen Vu Hung]

Nguyen Vu Hung さんは書きました:
>  OOXML standard go^`m 6000 trang. Qua' nhie^`u dde^? ddo.c va` co' le~ 
> kho^ng 1
> ca' nha^n na`o co' tho+`i gian dde^? ddo.c he^'t 6000 trang na`y
> va` tranh lua^.n vo+'i M$.
>
> DDa^y la` 1 hi`nh thu+'c cu?a FUD.
>
> Btw, to^?ng ke^'t la.i "paper" cua? Dr. Nagarjuna.
>
> IMO, Ly' do 1 va` 3 quan tro.ng nha^'t dde^? OOXML kho^ng the^? la`
> *Open* standard.
>
> * What is a Free/Open Document Standard?
>
> 1 Decodability
> 2 Use of preexisting standards
> 3 No Private Language Components
> 4 Implementation Independance
> 5 Transparent Collaborative Production Process
> 6 Rationale for deviating from the preexisting standards
> 7 Demonstrate incommensurability
> 8 Freedom to implement the standard
>
> * Does OOXML meet the above conditions?
>
> 1 OOXML is not decodable in all cases.
> 2 OOXML does not use many of the existing standards
> 3 OOXML allows insertion of private language components
> 4 OOXML is clearly implementation dependent
> 5 OOXML is not produced collaboratively among the stake holders
> 6 OOXML specification does not provide rationale for not using or 
> deviating the existing standards.
> 7 OOXML specification does not demonstrate that it is incomensurable 
> with the existing standards.
>
VH xin to^?ng ke^'t la.i respond tu+` MS to+'i paper cu?a Dr. Nagarjuna
( cf. 
http://www.odfalliance.in/files/Comments%20on%20Paper%20by%20Dr.%20NagarjunaG.pdf 
)

1. Developers ca^`n embbed schemas rie^ng cu?a ho. va`o "Open Document 
Format".

VH: DDa^y la` su+. ma^u thua^~n, mo^.t khi format dda~ la` "open", 
kho^ng ca^`n thie^'t
cho phe'p developers ta.o the^m schema mo+'i, nghi~a la` the^m "closed" 
schemas.

2. Kho^ng ca^`n thie^'t pha?i du`ng la.i nhu+~ng chua^?n cu~.
MS ddu+a ra vi' du.: W3C "doing wells" trong khi W3C ddo^.c la^.p vo+'i ISO.

VH: Nhu+~ng gi` MS ddang la`m la` "reenivent the wheel". Mo^.t "chua^?n"
se~ to^'t ho+n ne^'u nhie^`u nguo+`i ( dda~ ) bie^'t dde^'n no'.

3. DDo^. da`i cu?a chua^?n: 5000 trong so^' 6000 trang la` ddi.nh nghi~a,
chi? 1000 trang la` specification.

4. Item #3: Tru`ng la(.p vo+'i item #1.

VH: ddie^`u na`y ddu'ng, tranh lua^.n quy ve^` vie^.c cha^'p nha^.n hay 
kho^ng
ne^'u cho phe'p nhu'ng format kho^ng open va`o OOXML.

5. OOXML kho^ng co' ti'nh ho+.p ta'c vo+'i stake holders kha'c.
MS ddu+a ra pha?n vi' du: ECMA 376 ddu+o+.c su+. tham gia cu?a ra^'t nhie^`u
co^ng ty lo+'n.

6. Thie^'u ddi.nh nghi~a "Incommensurability”.

7. Freedom to implement: Sai vi` chi'nh vie^.c co' the^? ddu+a the^m 
schema rie^ng
cu?a developers la` "freedom".

Pha?n ho^`i cu?a MS da`i va` nhie^`u y', VH kho^ng to'm ta('t he^'t.

Nha^.n ddi.nh ca' nha^n:
Trong tranh lua^.n na`y, MS ddu+a ra nhu+~ng y' kie^'n sa('c sa?o va` 
de^~ hie^?u ho+n.

BR,

VH